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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 5, 2011 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

I am fairly certain that if the GD were of the mindset to rehearse a show and play it the same way every night they too could have been much tighter and had produced a far more polished product,at which point they no longer would have been the GD.
Garcia in his prime was far more interesting and all around superior player to the highly over rated Mr. Clapton,as for the tandem of Lesh/Kreutzman in relation to Bruce/Baker I see that as a push.While Cream's music was good it was just straight ahead rock and roll,and how hard is that.I don't hear anything that Bruce/Baker tandem played that Lesh/Kreutzman couldn't handle.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 5, 2011 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

If you can get ahold of tapes of live shows, the way JBruce handled a bass was unreal. The fashion in which he could bend notes, literally, was breath-taking...this doesn't always come thru in standard releases. I've known two serious bass players in my life, both of whom were DEAD heads first and foremost, and fashioned much of their style after Phil; nonetheless, in recent discussions with them they both agreed that JB stood apart, almost to the degree Jimi did with lead players. Only two twits, I know, but they have made a living (modest, no doubt) playing the instrument...FWIW. I take your pt that it was straight up blues based R&R, and limited in that respect.

This is not to say we don't all like the DEAD more, but any discussion among serious musical sorts discussing the 60s ALWAYS includes EC, JB & GB, and though it pains us, not necessarily JG (but they should), PL (probably should), and BK (not so sure). A number of bass players in successful bands from the 80s mention JB as an inspiration (in my readings anyhow) but not our man Phil...not sure why, but perhaps worth considering.

Still, overall body of work? Of course we find more to the DEAD. But I am talking a narrow aspect of pure skill/talent.

We'll have to agree to disagree on BK vs GB; I am not sure that is even up for discussion unless we go "apples and oranges" on the taste biz...

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jun 5, 2011 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

WT,I wasn't so much down playing Jack and Ginger's abilities as touting Phil and Bill's.I fully recognize Jack Bruce's brilliance and over the years have seen him perform in different types of musical settings and acquit him self quite nicely showing great versatility.As you said about Ginger we will have to agree to disagree.

For me this topic wasn't so much about which music is better,but once again another jerkoff like Butch Trucks speaking about something he is obviously unqualified to comment on.Just because you play an instrument doesn't automatically qualify you as an expert on all musical topics,Gene Simmons and Kenny G are and I don't care to hear their opinions.I don't think he would enjoy Weir saying the Allman's music is well practiced,derivative horseshit and that the only talented members are dead(Duane,Berry),kicked out(Dicky),or hired guns(Warren,Derek).As a fellow musician who knows these guys for 40 years and last year had them join (Weir,Phil) his band onstage you would think he could keep these petty remarks to himself.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jun 5, 2011 8:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

Yeah, thinking through it again, there could be some aspects to it that are a bit over the top (BT's comments); I was taking it lightly, in the spirit of many that critized the boys for being loose, etc--ie, giving him the benefit of the doubt, motivation wise. And frankly, I don't know squat about him vis-a-vis axes to grind or general comments that might peg him as a hyper-critical sort regarding the DEAD.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Jun 5, 2011 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Butch Trucks Quote (Dead-Related)

My point exactly! I understand LiAs point that he may be speaking vaguely, and we don't really understand the context of what he's saying necessarily. But to me it comes off as the arrogance of someone whom just because they are a musician, their opinion is garnering more respect than it merits. Defensive maybe, but thats just my two cents!

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-06-06 04:21:13